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{{Infobox computer
{{Infobox computer
| name        = Commodore 65
| name        = Commodore 65
| Photo       = [[File:C65alleine (no bg) (balance).jpg|300px|A Commodore 65 prototype]]
| photo       = [[File:C65alleine (no bg) (balance).jpg|300px|Prototype Commodore 65]]
| Type         = [[Home computer]]
| type         = [[Home computer]]
| Released     = Never officially released
| released     = Never officially released
| Discontinued = 1991 (cancelled prototype)
| discontinued = 1991 (project cancelled)
| Processor   = [[MOS Technology|CSG]] [[MOS Technology 4510|4510 R3]]
| processor   = [[MOS Technology|CSG]] CSG 4510 R3
| Memory       = 128 KB (expandable to 8 MB)
| memory       = 128 KB (expandable to 8 MB)
| OS           = Commodore BASIC 10.0
| os           = Commodore BASIC 10.0
| graphics    = VIC-III (CSG 4567 R5)
| graphics    = VIC‑III (CSG 4567 R5)
| display      = 320×200×256; 640×200×16; 640×400×16; 1280×200×4; 1280×400×4; palette of 4096 colors
| display      = 320×200×256; 640×200×16; 640×400×16; 1280×200×4; 1280×400×4; palette of 4096 colors
| sound        = 2× [[MOS Technology SID|CSG 8580R5 SID]], stereo output
| sound        = Dual CSG 8580 SID chips, stereo output
| storage      = Internal 3½" DSDD floppy disk drive (880 KB)
| storage      = Internal 3½″ DSDD floppy (880 KB)
| CPUspeed     = 3.54 MHz
| cpuspeed     = 3.54 MHz
| predecessor  = [[Commodore 64]]
| predecessor  = [[Commodore 64]]
| units shipped= Estimated 200–250 prototypes
| units shipped= Estimated fewer than 200 prototypes
| website      = N/A
| website      = N/A
}}
}}


The '''Commodore 65''' (also known as '''C64DX''') was a prototype 8-bit computer developed by [[Commodore Business Machines]] in 1990–1991. It was intended to be a successor to the aging but immensely popular [[Commodore 64]], offering improved graphics, sound, and BASIC capabilities, while maintaining backward compatibility.
The '''Commodore 65''' (C65, aka C64DX) was a prototype 8-bit personal computer developed by Commodore Business Machines in 1990–1991. Intended as a successor to the immensely popular [[Commodore 64]], it sought to combine enhanced graphics, sound, and disk functionality with full backward compatibility.:contentReference[oaicite:1]{index=1}


== History ==
== History ==


Originally envisioned as a bridge between the C64 and Commodore’s [[Amiga]] line, the C65 featured a significantly enhanced chipset, a built-in 3.5" floppy disk drive, and a new BASIC 10.0. Development began around 1990 under the direction of engineers such as Fred Bowen and Bill Gardei. Prototypes were produced in small quantities through 1991 before the project was abruptly cancelled by Commodore chairman [[Irving Gould]].<ref name="kaiser_secret">{{cite web|title=Secret Weapons of Commodore: The Commodore 65|url=http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ckb/secret/65.html|access-date=2024-07-26|last=Kaiser|first=Cameron}}</ref>
The project began in 1989–1990 under the leadership of Fred Bowen, Bill Gardei, Paul Lassa, Victor Andrade, and others, aiming to revive the C64 line with modernized capabilities before the company shifted focus to the Amiga. In late 1990 the C65 entered full development, but Commodore chairman Irving Gould cancelled the project in 1991 amid internal conflict and financial pressure.:contentReference[oaicite:2]{index=2}


Following Commodore’s bankruptcy in 1994, remaining prototype units—estimated between 200 and 250—entered the collector market. Today, working examples routinely sell for over US$20,000 at auction due to their rarity and historical significance.<ref>{{cite web|title=Rare Commodore C65 Hits eBay With Bidding Over $30,000|url=https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rare-commodore-c65-on-ebay|date=2022-01-14|access-date=2024-07-26}}</ref>
After Commodore's liquidation in 1994, a small number of prototype units—estimated at fewer than 200—were sold to collectors.:contentReference[oaicite:3]{index=3} These rare machines have auctioned for tens of thousands of dollars, with documented sales exceeding €20,000.:contentReference[oaicite:4]{index=4}


== Technical Specifications ==
== Technical specifications ==


* CPU: CSG 4510 R3 (an enhanced 65CE02 derivative) at 3.54 MHz
* **CPU**: CSG 4510 R3 (65CE02-based) running at 3.54 MHz 
* Memory: 128 KB onboard RAM (expandable to 8 MB); 128 KB ROM
* **Memory**: 128 KB onboard RAM; expansion to ~8 MB possible via bottom flap (similar to Amiga expansion):contentReference[oaicite:5]{index=5} 
* Graphics: CSG 4567 VIC-III graphics chip with:
* **Graphics**: CSG 4567 VIC‑III chip offering:
   * 320×200 with 256 colors
   * 320×200 with 256 colors
   * 640×200 or 640×400 with 16 colors
   * 640×200 or 640×400 with 16 colors
   * 1280×200 or 1280×400 with 4 colors
   * 1280×200 or 1280×400 with 4 colors
   * 4096-color palette, hardware bit blitter, genlock support
   * Hardware blitter, DMA, and genlock support:contentReference[oaicite:6]{index=6} 
* Sound: Dual 8580 SIDs for stereo audio
* **Sound**: Dual CSG 8580 SID chips for stereo audio:contentReference[oaicite:7]{index=7} 
* Storage: Internal double-sided double-density 3.5" floppy (880 KB capacity)
* **Storage**: Built-in 3½″ DSDD floppy drive (880 KB) compatible with Commodore 1581 formatting:contentReference[oaicite:8]{index=8} 
* OS: Commodore BASIC 10.0 with full support for graphics, sound, and disk access
* **OS/BASIC**: Commodore BASIC 10.0 with full disk and graphics support


== Ports and I/O ==
== Ports and expansion ==
* 2× DE9 joystick ports
* Expansion port (50-pin)
* Serial IEC (for external Commodore drives)
* RAM expansion flap (Amiga 500-style)
* User port (parallel 24-pin)
* Composite, RF, RGB, and stereo audio output
* DMA expansion and floppy interface


== Legacy and Influence ==
* Two DE‑9 joystick ports 
* 50‑pin expansion connector and Amiga-style RAM flap 
* IEC serial port for external Commodore drives 
* RGB (DE‑9F), composite video, RF, stereo audio outputs 
* User port (parallel), DMA expansion, and built‑in floppy interface:contentReference[oaicite:9]{index=9}


The Commodore 65 was never publicly released, yet it inspired future projects and garnered a cult following. The prototypes are now among the most collectible vintage computers.
== Legacy ==


=== [[MEGA65]] ===
The Commodore 65 remained a fascinating “what-could-have-been,” gaining legendary status among retro-computing enthusiasts. With fewer than 200 known working examples, it's one of the rarest Commodore prototypes.:contentReference[oaicite:10]{index=10}


In 2015, the Museum of Electronic Games & Art (MEGA) announced the '''MEGA65''', a modern open-source recreation of the C65 using [[FPGA]] technology. It is C65-compatible, C64-compatible, and expands upon the original's vision with new features like:
=== MEGA65 ===
* HDMI output
* MicroSD storage
* Ethernet and USB support
* Modern peripherals
* Integrated development tools


After years of development, MEGA65 entered production in 2021, with batches distributed by [https://trenz-electronic.de Trenz Electronic]. As of 2024, the MEGA65 is available year-round without waiting for batch preorders.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://mega65.org|title=MEGA65 Official Site|access-date=2024-07-26}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://m65digest.substack.com|title=Dan's MEGA65 Digest|access-date=2024-07-26}}</ref>
In 2015, the non‑profit Museum of Electronic Games & Art announced the '''MEGA65''' project: an open-source, FPGA-based re‑creation of the C65 and its intended enhancements.:contentReference[oaicite:11]{index=11}


== Further Reading ==
Key modern features include:
* [https://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ckb/secret/65.html Secret Weapons of Commodore – C65 Overview]
* HDMI video output and modern composite video support 
* [https://mega65.org MEGA65 Official Site]
* microSD storage, Ethernet networking, USB (keyboard/mouse), and real‑time clock 
* [https://www.zock.com/8-Bit/D_C65.HTML 8-Bit Nirvana: C65]
* FPGA‑implemented "45GS02" CPU core capable of up to 40.5 MHz 
* [https://devilmaster.altervista.org/hi65.html Hi65 – High-level C65 Emulator]
* Optional “attic” RAM expansion up to 8 MB and accelerated DMA controller 
* Bagnall, Brian. ''On the Edge: The Spectacular Rise and Fall of Commodore''. Variant Press, 2005. {{ISBN|0-9738649-0-7}}
* Mechanical keyboard in authentic Commodore layout, functioning built-in floppy drive, and injection‑molded retro chassis:contentReference[oaicite:12]{index=12}


== External Links ==
Initial developer kits (R3) shipped to early backers in late 2020, followed by production-ready machines in 2021. Early batches quickly sold out; as of 2024, the MEGA65 is available continuously.:contentReference[oaicite:13]{index=13}
{{commons category|Commodore 65}}
* [https://www.retrothing.com/2008/08/commodore-65-it.html Commodore 65 at RetroThing]
* [https://www.theoldcomputer.com/roms/index.php?folder=Commodore/C65 ROMs and Utilities (The Old Computer)]


[[Category:Commodore computers]]
== References ==
[[Category:Home computers]]
 
[[Category:Prototype computers]]
{{reflist}}
 
== Further reading ==
 
* Kaiser, Cameron. “Secret Weapons of Commodore: The Commodore 65.” floodgap.com, accessed 2024.:contentReference[oaicite:14]{index=14} 
* Bagnall, Brian. *On the Edge: The Spectacular Rise and Fall of Commodore*. Variant Press, 2005. ISBN 0‑9738649‑0‑7 
* Zimmers, Bo. “Commodore 65 Computer.” zimmers.net, accessed 2024.:contentReference[oaicite:15]{index=15} 
* “The MEGA65: A Modernization…” Slashdot, 2021.:contentReference[oaicite:16]{index=16}
 
== External links ==
 
{{commons category|Commodore 65}} 
* [https://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ckb/secret/65.html Secret Weapons of Commodore – C65 overview] 
* [https://mega65.org Official MEGA65 site] 
* [https://www.zock.com/8-Bit/D_C65.HTML 8‑Bit Nirvana – Commodore 65] 
* [https://devilmaster.altervista.org/hi65.html Hi65 emulator] 
 
[[Category:Commodore computers]]
[[Category:Home computers]]
[[Category:Prototype computers]]
[[Category:Commodore 64]]
[[Category:Commodore 64]]

Revision as of 01:40, 26 July 2025

Commodore 65
Prototype Commodore 65
TypeHome computer
Discontinued1991 (project cancelled)
Units shippedEstimated fewer than 200 prototypes
Operating systemCommodore BASIC 10.0
CPUCSG CSG 4510 R3
Memory128 KB (expandable to 8 MB)
StorageInternal 3½″ DSDD floppy (880 KB)
Display320×200×256; 640×200×16; 640×400×16; 1280×200×4; 1280×400×4; palette of 4096 colors
GraphicsVIC‑III (CSG 4567 R5)
SoundDual CSG 8580 SID chips, stereo output
PredecessorCommodore 64
WebsiteN/A

The Commodore 65 (C65, aka C64DX) was a prototype 8-bit personal computer developed by Commodore Business Machines in 1990–1991. Intended as a successor to the immensely popular Commodore 64, it sought to combine enhanced graphics, sound, and disk functionality with full backward compatibility.:contentReference[oaicite:1]{index=1}

History

The project began in 1989–1990 under the leadership of Fred Bowen, Bill Gardei, Paul Lassa, Victor Andrade, and others, aiming to revive the C64 line with modernized capabilities before the company shifted focus to the Amiga. In late 1990 the C65 entered full development, but Commodore chairman Irving Gould cancelled the project in 1991 amid internal conflict and financial pressure.:contentReference[oaicite:2]{index=2}

After Commodore's liquidation in 1994, a small number of prototype units—estimated at fewer than 200—were sold to collectors.:contentReference[oaicite:3]{index=3} These rare machines have auctioned for tens of thousands of dollars, with documented sales exceeding €20,000.:contentReference[oaicite:4]{index=4}

Technical specifications

  • **CPU**: CSG 4510 R3 (65CE02-based) running at 3.54 MHz
  • **Memory**: 128 KB onboard RAM; expansion to ~8 MB possible via bottom flap (similar to Amiga expansion):contentReference[oaicite:5]{index=5}
  • **Graphics**: CSG 4567 VIC‑III chip offering:
 * 320×200 with 256 colors  
 * 640×200 or 640×400 with 16 colors  
 * 1280×200 or 1280×400 with 4 colors  
 * Hardware blitter, DMA, and genlock support:contentReference[oaicite:6]{index=6}  
  • **Sound**: Dual CSG 8580 SID chips for stereo audio:contentReference[oaicite:7]{index=7}
  • **Storage**: Built-in 3½″ DSDD floppy drive (880 KB) compatible with Commodore 1581 formatting:contentReference[oaicite:8]{index=8}
  • **OS/BASIC**: Commodore BASIC 10.0 with full disk and graphics support

Ports and expansion

  • Two DE‑9 joystick ports
  • 50‑pin expansion connector and Amiga-style RAM flap
  • IEC serial port for external Commodore drives
  • RGB (DE‑9F), composite video, RF, stereo audio outputs
  • User port (parallel), DMA expansion, and built‑in floppy interface:contentReference[oaicite:9]{index=9}

Legacy

The Commodore 65 remained a fascinating “what-could-have-been,” gaining legendary status among retro-computing enthusiasts. With fewer than 200 known working examples, it's one of the rarest Commodore prototypes.:contentReference[oaicite:10]{index=10}

MEGA65

In 2015, the non‑profit Museum of Electronic Games & Art announced the MEGA65 project: an open-source, FPGA-based re‑creation of the C65 and its intended enhancements.:contentReference[oaicite:11]{index=11}

Key modern features include:

  • HDMI video output and modern composite video support
  • microSD storage, Ethernet networking, USB (keyboard/mouse), and real‑time clock
  • FPGA‑implemented "45GS02" CPU core capable of up to 40.5 MHz
  • Optional “attic” RAM expansion up to 8 MB and accelerated DMA controller
  • Mechanical keyboard in authentic Commodore layout, functioning built-in floppy drive, and injection‑molded retro chassis:contentReference[oaicite:12]{index=12}

Initial developer kits (R3) shipped to early backers in late 2020, followed by production-ready machines in 2021. Early batches quickly sold out; as of 2024, the MEGA65 is available continuously.:contentReference[oaicite:13]{index=13}

References

Further reading

  • Kaiser, Cameron. “Secret Weapons of Commodore: The Commodore 65.” floodgap.com, accessed 2024.:contentReference[oaicite:14]{index=14}
  • Bagnall, Brian. *On the Edge: The Spectacular Rise and Fall of Commodore*. Variant Press, 2005. ISBN 0‑9738649‑0‑7
  • Zimmers, Bo. “Commodore 65 Computer.” zimmers.net, accessed 2024.:contentReference[oaicite:15]{index=15}
  • “The MEGA65: A Modernization…” Slashdot, 2021.:contentReference[oaicite:16]{index=16}

External links