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{{Short description|Prototype successor to the Commodore 64}}
{{Short description|Unreleased 8-bit home computer developed by Commodore in the early 1990s}}
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{{Infobox computer
{{Infobox computer
| name = Commodore 65
| name             = Commodore 65
| photo = [[File:C65alleine (no bg) (balance).jpg|300px|Prototype Commodore 65]]
| logo              = Commodore logo 1980s.svg
| type = [[Home computer]]
| logo_size        = 100px
| released = Never officially released
| caption          = Commodore 65 prototype (C65)
| discontinued = 1991 (project cancelled)
| developer        = [[Commodore International]]
| processor = [[MOS Technology|CSG]] CSG 4510 R3
| manufacturer      = Commodore
| memory = 128 KB (expandable to 8 MB)
| type             = [[Home computer]]
| os = Commodore BASIC 10.0
| release_date      = Unreleased (prototype developed 1990–1991)
| graphics = VIC‑III (CSG 4567 R5)
| discontinued     = 1991
| display = 320×200×256; 640×200×16; 640×400×16; 1280×200×4; 1280×400×4; palette of 4096 colors
| cpu              = [[MOS Technology 4510]] @ 3.54 MHz (based on the 65CE02)
| sound = Dual CSG 8580 SID chips, stereo output
| memory           = 128 KB – 1 MB RAM (expandable to 8 MB)
| storage = Internal 3½″ DSDD floppy (880 KB)
| storage          = Internal 3.5″ floppy disk drive, cartridge slot
| cpuspeed = 3.54 MHz
| os               = [[Commodore BASIC]] 10.0
| predecessor = [[Commodore 64]]
| graphics         = VIC-III graphics chip
| units shipped= Estimated fewer than 200 prototypes
| display           = 320×200, 640×200, 640×400; 256 colors from 4096
| website = N/A
| sound             = 2× [[MOS Technology 8580]] SID chips (stereo output)
| compatibility    = Partial [[Commodore 64]] software compatibility
| predecessor       = [[Commodore 64]], [[Commodore 128]]
| successor        = Unofficially succeeded by the [[Amiga]] series
| website           = <!-- No official website -->
}}
}}


The '''Commodore 65''' (C65, also marketed as the C64DX) was a prototype 8-bit personal computer developed by Commodore Business Machines between 1990 and 1991. Intended as a successor to the [[Commodore 64]], it was designed to offer improved graphics, sound, and storage capabilities while maintaining backward compatibility with C64 software.<ref name="floodgap">Kaiser, Cameron. "Secret Weapons of Commodore: The Commodore 65". Floodgap.com. Accessed 2024. [https://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ckb/secret/65.html]</ref>
The '''Commodore 65''' (also known as the '''C65''' or "C64DX") was a prototype [[8-bit]] [[home computer]] developed by [[Commodore International]] in the early 1990s. Designed as an enhanced successor to the [[Commodore 64]], it combined backward compatibility with new hardware capabilities such as improved graphics, expanded memory, and a built-in 3.5″ floppy drive. Although the system never reached commercial release, it is considered one of the most advanced 8-bit computers ever created.


== History ==
== History ==
The Commodore 65 project began internally at Commodore around 1990, under the name "C64DX." The goal was to provide a high-end 8-bit system for home users—retaining C64 compatibility while offering features comparable to early 16-bit systems. At the time, Commodore's more powerful [[Amiga]] series had already been released, but management hoped the C65 could fill a transitional role for existing 8-bit users.


Development of the C65 began around 1989–1990, under the guidance of engineers including Fred Bowen, Bill Gardei, Paul Lassa, and Victor Andrade. The project aimed to revitalize the Commodore 64 product line before Commodore redirected its focus to the Amiga series.<ref name="zimmers">Zimmers, Bo. "Commodore 65 Computer". zimmers.net. Accessed 2024. [http://www.zimmers.net/cbmpics/c65/index.html]</ref> Full development commenced in late 1990, but internal disputes and financial pressures led Commodore chairman Irving Gould to cancel the project in 1991.<ref name="bagnall">Bagnall, Brian. ''On the Edge: The Spectacular Rise and Fall of Commodore''. Variant Press, 2005. ISBN 0‑9738649‑0‑7.</ref>
The C65 featured a redesigned motherboard, new video and sound chips, and the advanced [[Commodore BASIC]] 10.0. Despite nearing completion, the project was discontinued in 1991 as Commodore faced worsening financial problems and shifted focus entirely to the Amiga product line.


Following Commodore's liquidation in 1994, an estimated 200 prototype units were released onto the collector market.<ref name="floodgap" /> Several units have since been sold at auction, occasionally reaching prices above €20,000.<ref name="slashdot">"The MEGA65: A Modernization of a Classic Commodore Computer". Slashdot, 2021. [https://slashdot.org/story/21/03/01/1529246/the-mega65-a-modernization-of-a-classic-commodore-computer]</ref>
== Specifications ==


== Technical specifications ==
=== CPU ===
The C65 used the **MOS 4510**, a custom chip based on the enhanced **65CE02** core, running at 3.54 MHz—more than three times faster than the 1.02 MHz **MOS 6510** used in the C64.


'''CPU''': CSG 4510 R3 (based on the 65CE02), running at 3.54 MHz
=== Memory ===
* 128 KB to 1 MB RAM (expandable up to 8 MB via memory banking)
* 128 KB ROM containing BASIC 10.0 and KERNAL
* 8 KB character ROM


'''Memory''': 128 KB onboard RAM, expandable to approximately 8 MB via a RAM expansion port on the underside of the case<ref name="zimmers" />
=== Storage ===
* Built-in 3.5″ double-density floppy drive (Commodore 1581-compatible, ~800 KB capacity)
* Commodore 64-compatible cartridge port
* Serial IEC port for external drives


'''Graphics''': VIC-III (CSG 4567) chip supporting:
=== Display and Graphics ===
Graphics were handled by the **VIC-III** chip, offering significant improvements over the C64’s VIC-II:


320×200 with 256 colors
* Resolutions: 320×200, 640×200, 640×400 (interlaced)
* Colors: Up to 256 simultaneous colors from a 4096-color palette
* Text modes: 40 and 80 columns
* Enhanced scrolling, hardware sprites, and split-screen features


640×200 or 640×400 with 16 colors
=== Audio ===
The C65 included support for **two** MOS 8580 SID chips, enabling stereo sound output. Each chip provided:
* 3 voices with multiple waveforms
* Filters, modulation, and envelope controls
* Compatibility with C64 SID-based software


1280×200 or 1280×400 with 4 colors
== Software ==


Hardware blitter, DMA, and genlock support
=== Commodore BASIC 10.0 ===
The C65 shipped with **BASIC 10.0**, a major upgrade from the BASIC 2.0 used in the Commodore 64. It introduced:
* Structured programming (IF...THEN...ELSE, DO...LOOP)
* Advanced file handling and graphics commands
* Disk directory access and floppy formatting from BASIC


'''Sound''': Dual CSG 8580 SID chips for stereo audio<ref name="floodgap" />
BASIC 10.0 was stored in ROM alongside an updated KERNAL. While the system retained some backward compatibility, software relying on specific memory addresses, timing, or the VIC-II graphics were often incompatible.


'''Storage''': Integrated 3½″ double-sided double-density floppy drive (880 KB), compatible with the Commodore 1581 format
== Legacy and Collectibility ==
Although the Commodore 65 was never released commercially, an estimated **50 to 200 prototype units** were manufactured before the project was cancelled. In the mid-1990s, these were sold off as surplus during Commodore’s liquidation. Due to their rarity, C65 units have become highly valuable collector's items, with some selling for over **$30,000 USD** at auction.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Rare Commodore 65 fetches $30,000 on eBay |url=https://www.pcworld.com/article/2026818/rare-commodore-65-fetches-30000-on-ebay.html |date=2013-01-08 |access-date=2024-06-01 |website=PCWorld}}</ref>


'''Operating system''': Commodore BASIC 10.0, including extended graphics and disk commands
== Emulation and Successors ==
The C65 is supported in modern emulators such as [[VICE (emulator)|VICE]], and ROMs have been preserved for archival purposes. Due to the system’s unfinished status, emulation is incomplete but usable for testing.


== Ports and expansion ==
The most notable legacy of the C65 is the creation of the [[MEGA65]]—a modern, open-source recreation of the Commodore 65 developed by the German non-profit [[Museum of Electronic Games & Art|MEGA Museum of Electronic Games & Art]]. Released in the 2020s, the [[MEGA65]] uses FPGA hardware to replicate and extend the C65’s architecture, and includes modern I/O such as HDMI, Ethernet, and SD card support.<ref>{{Cite web |title=MEGA65 Official Website |url=https://www.mega65.org/ |access-date=2024-06-01}}</ref>


The Commodore 65 included several ports and interfaces:
== See also ==
 
* [[Commodore 64]]
Two DE-9 joystick ports
* [[Commodore 128]]
 
* [[MEGA65]]
50-pin expansion connector and Amiga-style RAM expansion flap
* [[Amiga]]
 
* [[VICE (emulator)]]
IEC serial port for disk drives
* [[Retrocomputing]]
 
RGB (DE-9F), composite video, RF modulator, and stereo audio outputs
 
User port (parallel), DMA expansion bus, and built-in floppy controller<ref name="zimmers" />
 
== Legacy ==
 
Despite never reaching the market, the Commodore 65 gained near-mythical status among retro computing enthusiasts. Its extreme rarity—fewer than 200 working units are known—has made it one of the most collectible Commodore prototypes ever produced.<ref name="floodgap" />
 
=== MEGA65 ===
 
In 2015, the non-profit Museum of Electronic Games & Art (MEGA) launched the '''[[MEGA65]]''', a modern open-source re-implementation of the C65 using FPGA technology.<ref name="slashdot" /> The system builds upon the C65 architecture while adding features for modern usability:
 
HDMI and composite video output
 
microSD card storage, Ethernet, USB, and real-time clock
 
A 45GS02 FPGA-based CPU core clocked at up to 40.5 MHz
 
Optional 8 MB RAM expansion and accelerated DMA
 
Full-size mechanical keyboard and functioning floppy drive in a replica Commodore case
 
Developer preview models shipped in late 2020, followed by retail production units in 2021. As of 2024, the MEGA65 remains in production and is available through official channels.<ref name="slashdot" />


== References ==
== References ==
{{reflist}}
{{reflist}}
== Further reading ==
Kaiser, Cameron. "Secret Weapons of Commodore: The Commodore 65". Floodgap.com. [https://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ckb/secret/65.html]
Bagnall, Brian. ''On the Edge: The Spectacular Rise and Fall of Commodore''. Variant Press, 2005. ISBN 0‑9738649‑0‑7
Zimmers, Bo. "Commodore 65 Computer". zimmers.net. [http://www.zimmers.net/cbmpics/c65/index.html]
"The MEGA65: A Modernization of a Classic Commodore Computer". Slashdot, 2021. [https://slashdot.org/story/21/03/01/1529246/the-mega65-a-modernization-of-a-classic-commodore-computer]


== External links ==
== External links ==
 
* [https://www.mega65.org/ Official MEGA65 website]
{{commons category|Commodore 65}}
* [https://vice-emu.sourceforge.io/ VICE emulator homepage]
 
* [https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/Commodore_65 C65 article on C64-Wiki]
[https://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ckb/secret/65.html Secret Weapons of Commodore – C65 overview]
* [https://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=954&st=1 Commodore 65 on Old-Computers.com]
 
[https://mega65.org Official MEGA65 site]
 
[https://www.zock.com/8-Bit/D_C65.HTML 8‑Bit Nirvana – Commodore 65]
 
[https://devilmaster.altervista.org/hi65.html Hi65 emulator]
 
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Latest revision as of 18:03, 14 August 2025

Commodore 65
File:Commodore logo 1980s.svg
DeveloperCommodore International
ManufacturerCommodore
TypeHome computer
Discontinued1991
Operating systemCommodore BASIC 10.0
CPUMOS Technology 4510 @ 3.54 MHz (based on the 65CE02)
Memory128 KB – 1 MB RAM (expandable to 8 MB)
StorageInternal 3.5″ floppy disk drive, cartridge slot
Display320×200, 640×200, 640×400; 256 colors from 4096
GraphicsVIC-III graphics chip
SoundMOS Technology 8580 SID chips (stereo output)
Backward
compatibility
Partial Commodore 64 software compatibility
PredecessorCommodore 64, Commodore 128
SuccessorUnofficially succeeded by the Amiga series

The Commodore 65 (also known as the C65 or "C64DX") was a prototype 8-bit home computer developed by Commodore International in the early 1990s. Designed as an enhanced successor to the Commodore 64, it combined backward compatibility with new hardware capabilities such as improved graphics, expanded memory, and a built-in 3.5″ floppy drive. Although the system never reached commercial release, it is considered one of the most advanced 8-bit computers ever created.

History

The Commodore 65 project began internally at Commodore around 1990, under the name "C64DX." The goal was to provide a high-end 8-bit system for home users—retaining C64 compatibility while offering features comparable to early 16-bit systems. At the time, Commodore's more powerful Amiga series had already been released, but management hoped the C65 could fill a transitional role for existing 8-bit users.

The C65 featured a redesigned motherboard, new video and sound chips, and the advanced Commodore BASIC 10.0. Despite nearing completion, the project was discontinued in 1991 as Commodore faced worsening financial problems and shifted focus entirely to the Amiga product line.

Specifications

CPU

The C65 used the **MOS 4510**, a custom chip based on the enhanced **65CE02** core, running at 3.54 MHz—more than three times faster than the 1.02 MHz **MOS 6510** used in the C64.

Memory

  • 128 KB to 1 MB RAM (expandable up to 8 MB via memory banking)
  • 128 KB ROM containing BASIC 10.0 and KERNAL
  • 8 KB character ROM

Storage

  • Built-in 3.5″ double-density floppy drive (Commodore 1581-compatible, ~800 KB capacity)
  • Commodore 64-compatible cartridge port
  • Serial IEC port for external drives

Display and Graphics

Graphics were handled by the **VIC-III** chip, offering significant improvements over the C64’s VIC-II:

  • Resolutions: 320×200, 640×200, 640×400 (interlaced)
  • Colors: Up to 256 simultaneous colors from a 4096-color palette
  • Text modes: 40 and 80 columns
  • Enhanced scrolling, hardware sprites, and split-screen features

Audio

The C65 included support for **two** MOS 8580 SID chips, enabling stereo sound output. Each chip provided:

  • 3 voices with multiple waveforms
  • Filters, modulation, and envelope controls
  • Compatibility with C64 SID-based software

Software

Commodore BASIC 10.0

The C65 shipped with **BASIC 10.0**, a major upgrade from the BASIC 2.0 used in the Commodore 64. It introduced:

  • Structured programming (IF...THEN...ELSE, DO...LOOP)
  • Advanced file handling and graphics commands
  • Disk directory access and floppy formatting from BASIC

BASIC 10.0 was stored in ROM alongside an updated KERNAL. While the system retained some backward compatibility, software relying on specific memory addresses, timing, or the VIC-II graphics were often incompatible.

Legacy and Collectibility

Although the Commodore 65 was never released commercially, an estimated **50 to 200 prototype units** were manufactured before the project was cancelled. In the mid-1990s, these were sold off as surplus during Commodore’s liquidation. Due to their rarity, C65 units have become highly valuable collector's items, with some selling for over **$30,000 USD** at auction.[1]

Emulation and Successors

The C65 is supported in modern emulators such as VICE, and ROMs have been preserved for archival purposes. Due to the system’s unfinished status, emulation is incomplete but usable for testing.

The most notable legacy of the C65 is the creation of the MEGA65—a modern, open-source recreation of the Commodore 65 developed by the German non-profit MEGA Museum of Electronic Games & Art. Released in the 2020s, the MEGA65 uses FPGA hardware to replicate and extend the C65’s architecture, and includes modern I/O such as HDMI, Ethernet, and SD card support.[2]

See also

References

  1. "Rare Commodore 65 fetches $30,000 on eBay". PCWorld. January 8, 2013. Retrieved June 1, 2024.
  2. "MEGA65 Official Website". Retrieved June 1, 2024.

External links