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== WP:NOT? ==

Is there a clean-up tag for possibly veering into [[WP:NOT]] territory? I get that we should probably just AFD articles that fail this (though this is also true for notability-fails) but sometimes you'd like to give the people who work on the article a chance. [[User:FOARP|FOARP]] ([[User talk:FOARP|talk]]) 09:45, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

== Is there an inline version of <nowiki>{{Lead extra info}}</nowiki>? ==

[[File:Symbol_watching_blue_lashes_high_contrast.svg|link=|alt=|26x26px]]&nbsp;You are invited to join [[Template_talk:Lead_extra_info#Is_there_an_inline_version_of_this_template?|the discussion at this template's talk page]].<!-- based on Template:Please see --> — [[User:W.andrea|W.andrea]] ([[User talk:W.andrea|talk]]) 11:31, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Request to add/update template related to Ashley Delaney article cleanup ==

Request:
 I am requesting guidance on the appropriate cleanup templates to apply to the Ashley Delaney article following recent edits regarding his coaching career. The edits are fully cited with reliable sources, but I want to ensure compliance with the biographies of living persons (BLP) and verifiability standards.
Reason:
 The article now includes updates about Delaney’s coaching of high-profile athletes such as Kyle Chalmers and Paralympians. Given the sensitivity of BLP policies, I want to confirm if a cleanup or verification tag is required to guide further community review or if the article can now be considered stable.
Thank you for your assistance. [[User:Tld23|Tld23]] ([[User talk:Tld23|talk]]) 14:47, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

== Template Attribution_needed is problematic ==

Template {{t|Attribution needed}} may have once filled a need, but has aged poorly and outgrown its usefulness imho, and is now more of a confusing hindrance than a help. I would like to gauge opinion about this, and see what measures should be taken, if any. 

My initial sense is that {{t|Attribution needed}} is a misnamed duplicate of {{t|Citation needed}}, and that there is no daylight between the intended use or meaning of the two templates. Normally, this would mean simply redirecting it, however I believe that that is not an option in this case, because when I hear the term '''''attribution needed''''' I immediately think of something completely different, namely the author attribution required by [[WP:Licensing|RetroWikipedia's licensing]] as described in the [[wmf:TOU#7b|Terms of Use]] when [[WP:CWW|copying or translating material from another RetroWikipedia article]]. There are templates such as {{t|copypaste}} and {{t|missing attribution}} that deal with this sense of 'attribution needed', which I believe to be the common one. They should be considered as the proper redirect target for this template title. 

If there is agreement on this, then I believe that in order to minimize confusion, the following steps should be taken:
* all transclusions of this template should be altered to use {{t|citation needed}} instead; (by bot, I presume).
* {{t|Attribution needed}} should either be [[WP:R|redirected]], [[WP:D|disambiguated]], [[WP:AFD|deleted]], or repurposed as a [[WP:WRAPPER|wrapper template]] (my preference) according to consensus at this discussion.
As far as the scope/recency of the problem, there are about <span class=plainlinks>[https://templatecount.toolforge.org/index.php?lang=en&namespace=10&name=Attribution_needed#bottom 482 transclusions] of the template (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%3A+hastemplate%3AAttribution_needed&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&fulltext=1 list]), and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%3A+hastemplate%3AAttribution_needed+insource%3A%2F%5BAa%5Dttribution+needed%5B%5E%7D%5D*date+*%3D+*%5B%5E%7D%5D*2025%5C%7D%2F&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&fulltext=1 50 placed this year].</span>

As a secondary issue, the doc page seems to have drifted from the functionality, or is self-contradictory. Examples:
* {{xt|The functionality of this template is the same as {{t|clarify}}...}}
* {{xt|Use this template in the body of an article as a request for other editors to explicitly attribute a preceding passage, sentence or phrase to a person.}} 
* {{xt|Usage of the tag is similar to {{t|Specify}}...}}
* All of section {{slink|Template:Attribution needed|Relation to other tag templates|nopage=yes}}
I can't see anything in the operation of this template that clearly distinguishes it from {{t|citation needed}}. This confusion appears to have existed since at least 2010, per [[Template talk:Attribution needed#Purpose?|this discussion]], and I don't see any improvement since. I might have boldly redirected it, but for the confusion issue with the ToU attribution requirement. Thoughts? [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 18:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

:I don't agree that the two are exact duplicates - cn flags an issue with verifiability, while this tag more often flags an issue with neutrality. A statement can be both uncited and unattributed, certainly, but it can also be one or the other. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 04:31, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
:: I find this unpersuasive. As far as flagging neutrality issues inline, the template for that is {{t|POV inline}}. The term ''neutrality'' (or derivatives of it) appear nowhere in this template, nor in the documentation. That is maybe as good an example of why it should be done away with as anything else, as everybody seems to see in it whatever they please, such as the conflicting comments in the doc itself illustrate. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 05:03, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
:::Issues with the documentation should be addressed by editing the documentation, which I've done. But automatically replacing this template with cn is clearly not appropriate - many uses of this template are placed alongside citations. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 13:38, 14 July 2025 (UTC)